Robert Runciman (m. Janet Sinclair)1

(say 1685 - bet. 1728 - 1781)

Intro

     It has been suggested that the Robert married to Janet Sinclair and Katherine Bebgie is the 1703 baptism of a Robert son of Andrew Runciman and Margaret Bartram. Even though this is a baptism, and not a birth, the previous baptism for this couple was in 1696, which implies Robert would have been born between 1697 and 1703. The earliest of these dates would still only make him 16 when his first son was born, so the id is doubtful.2
The two Robert families, one with children by Janet Sinclair from 1713 (Dirleton) to 1720 (Prestonpans), the other with children to Katharine Begbie are believed to be one and the same Robert, Janet having presumably died in childbirth, or shortly thereafter.
The timeline is:
Mar 1720 a son Thomas is born in Prestonpans, father Robert is a gardner, and a witness to the baptism is one James Begbie, weaver.
Nov 1720 a Robert of Prestonpans marries a Katharine Begbie in Pencaitland
Feb 1722 a son Richard is born in Prestonpans to this latter couple, father Robert a gardiner, witnesses include a James Begbie weaver.2

BDMs

     Robert Runciman (m. Janet Sinclair) was born say 1685 ?Dirleton, ELN, SCT.1,3,4 He married Janet Sinclair say 1710 ?Dirleton, ELN; eldest known son John bap. 1713.4,1,5 Robert Runshiman married Katharine Begbie on 19 Nov 1720 Pencaitland, ELN, SCT; entry for Oct 29th reads: "Rbt Runshiman in the parish of prestonpans & Katharine Begbie in this parish gave up their Banns matrimonial to be intimate three foull dyets before the congregation according to order were married Novr 19th 1720."6,7
     Robert Runciman (m. Janet Sinclair) died bet. 1728 - 1781 ?Ormiston, ELN, SCT.8
NB the change of tack re William of Crail's parents.
From the Runciman DNA project we have a good match between descendants of Thomas married to Alison Grieve, and of William of Crail (and two other lines).
A tentative paper trail had been constructed between Thomas, William and the Robert married to Janet Sinclair and Katherine Begbie.
Some of William of Crail's orphaned children were known to have been brought up by a Richard RUNCIMAN living in North Berwick, and there was a baptism of an appropriate Richard to Robert and Katherine (Begbie), the assumption being that William of Crail was the William born to Robert and Janet (Sinclair) in 1717.
Likewise Thomas born Prestonpans, the son of Robert Runciman and Janet Sinclair, with a brother William, was assumed to be the same Thomas married to Alison Grieve with first known son Robert, living Thornton, Innerwick.
However, a recent (Oct 2012) closer reading of the papers in the National Archives about the orphaned children showed that Richard was their grandfather.
Back to the drawing board.
The working assumption now is that William was the one baptised 1729 to the Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY instead, albeit that this makes William marginally on the young side to have married his first wife by 1748, particularly as she was stated to be 31 when she died in 1753. As Richard and Jennet (GOURLAY) married in 1728, William's baptism in 1729 could be assumed to be shortly after his birth.
So how are Robert (married to Janet SINCLAIR and Katharine BEGBIE) and Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY connected?9,10,11,12

Names/other info

     In 1717 his surname was recorded as Runseman (bap. of son William.)1 In 1720 his surname was recorded as Runshiman (marr. to Katharine Begbie.)6 In 1722 his surname was recorded as Runsiman (Son Richard's birth.)13

DNA Info

     Robert belongs to a tested line in the RUNCIMAN Surname DNA Project. Follow this link for further DNA information.

Family 1

Janet Sinclair (say 1685 - bet. Mar 1720 - Nov 1720)
Children

Family 2

Katharine Begbie (say 1695 - Dec 1781)
Children
ChartsLineage 1c: Robert & Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN of Dunbar
Last Edited23 Jun 2014

Citations

  1. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth 1717 William s/o Robert RUNSEMAN & Janet SINCLAIR, Dirleton, 705/ 0020 0047, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  2. [S3] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", Feb 2010.
  3. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth 1703 Robert s/o Andrew RUNCIMAN & Margaret BARTRAM, Whittinghame, 724/ 0010 0214, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  4. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Bap. 14 Jun 1717 William s/o RUNSEMAN (gardner in Saltcoats) & Janet SINCLAIR, Dirleton, ELN 705/0020 0046, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  5. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 26 Jul 1713 John s/o RUNSEMAN & Janet SINCLAIR, Dirleton, 705/ 0020 0037, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  6. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Marr. 19 Nov 1720 Robert RUNSHIMAN (Prestonpans) & Katharine BEGBIE, Pencaitland, 716/0020 0276, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  7. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth (Bap?) 7 Feb 1722 Richard s/o Robert RUNSIMAN & Catharine BEGBIE, Prestonpans, 718/ 0040 0089, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  8. [S5] Ancestry.com online at http://search.ancestry.com, Bur. 20 Dec 1781 Katherine BEGBIE, relict of Robert RUNCIMAN, gardener Ormiston, from List of Burials excerpted from Register in possession of the Registrar of the Canongate, ancestry collection: Midlothian: Edinburgh - The Commissariot Record of Edinburgh, 1701-1800, extracted Nov 2010.
  9. [S15] RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, Updated Sep 2011.
  10. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Apr 2010, updated Nov 2012.
  11. [S3221] Phyllis RUNCIMAN, "EM RUNCIMAN/WISHART/JAMIESON ex Phyllis R," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, Pay-outs to the widows and children of the Crail fishermen drowned on 21st January 1765, from GD/26/12/25 held National Archives of Scotland (NAS), transcr. by Phyllis rcvd Nov 2012.
  12. [S1045] H D W, "RUNCIMAN Correspondence," e-mail to L Henderson (1), H/stone (& info) William RUNSHEMAN/RUNSYMAN and family, Crail, FIF, from pre 1855 transcriptions, rcvd Jan 2010.
  13. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth 1722 Richard s/o Robert RUNSIMAN & Catharine BEGBIE, Prestonpans, 718/ 0040 0089, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  14. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 14 Jun 1717 William s/o Robert RUNSEMAN & Janet SINCLAIR, Dirleton, 705/ 0020 0047, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  15. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Birth 7 Mar, Bap. 10 Apr, 1720 Thomas s/o Robert RUNCIMAN (gardner) & Janet SINCLAIR, Prestonpans, ELN 718/0040 0056, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  16. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth 1720 Thomas s/o Robert RUNCIMAN & Janet SINCLAIR, Prestonpans, 718/ 0040 0056, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  17. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Apr 2010.
  18. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Birth 5 Feb Bap. 7 Feb 1722 Richard s/o Robert RUNSIMAN (gardiner) & Catharine BEGBIE, Prestonpans, 718/ 0040 0089, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  19. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 12 Apr 1724 Robert s/o Robert RUNSHIMAN & Katharine BEGBIE, Pencaitland, 716/ 0010 0281, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  20. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 10 Mar 1728 Kathrin d/o Robert RUNCHIMAN & Kathrin BAGBY, Ormiston, 715/ 0010 0115, extracted from index Feb 2010.
 
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