Thomas Runciman (of Innerwick, m. Grieve)1,2,3,4

(7 Mar 1720 - )
Father-Assmd*Robert Runciman (m. Janet Sinclair) (say 1685 - bet. 1728 - 1781); the Thomas born to Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN is currently assumed to be the Thomas married to Alison GRIEVE1,3,5
Mother-Assmd*Janet Sinclair1,6 (say 1685 - bet. Mar 1720 - Nov 1720)

Intro

     We have an excellent set of DNA matches between representatives of the lines of: David, weaver of Earlston; William of Crail; Thomas of Innerwick and Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton.
Exactly how their trees connect is completely unknown, particularly now that the initial hypothesis linking Thomas of Innerwick and William of Crail has been overturned.7

BDMs

     Thomas Runciman was born on 7 Mar 1720 Prestonpans, ELN, SCT.1 He was baptized on 10 Apr 1720 Prestonpans, ELN; "Robert Runciman Gardner and Janet Sinclair had a Son born March 7th 1720 and baptized Thomas Apr: 10th Witnesses James Forrest sievewright and James Begbie weaver.1 He married Alison Grieve, daughter of Thomas Grieve and Margaret Forest, on 14 Nov 1746 in the Par. of Innerwick, ELN, SCT; entry for Novr 14th reads: Thomas Runciman in Thornton & Alison Grieve in the parish of Auldhamstocks gave up their names to be proclaimed Caur for the bridegroom John Clawson & for the bride James Gowany (also indexed for 5th Nov in Oldhamstocks.)2,8,9,4
NB the change of tack re William of Crail's parents.
From the Runciman DNA project we have a good match between descendants of Thomas married to Alison Grieve, and of William of Crail (and two other lines).
A tentative paper trail had been constructed between Thomas, William and the Robert married to Janet Sinclair and Katherine Begbie.
Some of William of Crail's orphaned children were known to have been brought up by a Richard RUNCIMAN living in North Berwick, and there was a baptism of an appropriate Richard to Robert and Katherine (Begbie), the assumption being that William of Crail was the William born to Robert and Janet (Sinclair) in 1717.
Likewise Thomas born Prestonpans, the son of Robert Runciman and Janet Sinclair, with a brother William, was assumed to be the same Thomas married to Alison Grieve with first known son Robert, living Thornton, Innerwick.
However, a recent (Oct 2012) closer reading of the papers in the National Archives about the orphaned children showed that Richard was their grandfather.
Back to the drawing board.
The working assumption now is that William was the one baptised 1729 to the Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY instead, albeit that this makes William marginally on the young side to have married his first wife by 1748, particularly as she was stated to be 31 when she died in 1753. As Richard and Jennet (GOURLAY) married in 1728, William's baptism in 1729 could be assumed to be shortly after his birth.
So how are Robert (married to Janet SINCLAIR and Katharine BEGBIE) and Richard married to Jennet GOURLAY connected?10,11,12,13 It has been suggested that this Thomas is the Thomas born 1712 to George RUNCIMAN and Margrat SIMSONE of Perth.
The baptism entry for Thomas shows George as a baxter (aka a baker)
It seems unlikely that a baker's son from Perth would end up a servant in Innerwick. It also seems unlikely that what looks like George's will doesn't mention a son who was still alive.14

DNA Info

     Thomas's line needs a/another participant in the RUNCIMAN Surname DNA Project. Check out the Wanted! page for further information.
     Thomas belongs to a tested line in the RUNCIMAN Surname DNA Project. Follow this link for further DNA information.

Links

     Click here to see Thomas's page on WikiTree, a (free) collaborative on-line tree.15

Researcher(s)

     The line of Thomas Runciman (of Innerwick, m. Grieve) is/was being researched by Steve Gibbs.16
     Thomas Runciman (of Innerwick, m. Grieve) is the ancestor of researcher Jim Runciman (R-10).17
     Thomas Runciman (of Innerwick, m. Grieve) is the ancestor of researcher Barbara Samples. (Barbara is particularly interested in son Peter's line) Email: Barbara.18
     Thomas Runciman (of Innerwick, m. Grieve) is the ancestor of researcher Diana Runciman. Email: Diana.

Family

Alison Grieve (circa Mar 1720 - )
Children
  • Robert Runciman19 (circa Jan 1748 - )
  • Thomas Runciman (m. Elspeth KEMP)20,21 (circa Jan 1750 - )
  • Peter Runciman+22 (circa Jun 1756 - Jan 1835)
ChartsLineage 1c: Robert & Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN of Dunbar
Last Edited4 Mar 2015

Citations

  1. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Birth 7 Mar, Bap. 10 Apr, 1720 Thomas s/o Robert RUNCIMAN (gardner) & Janet SINCLAIR, Prestonpans, ELN 718/0040 0056, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  2. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Marr. 14 Nov 1746 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, 711/ 0030 0331, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.
  3. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth 1720 Thomas s/o Robert RUNCIMAN & Janet SINCLAIR, Prestonpans, 718/ 0040 0056, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  4. [S2923] Steve GIBBS (d. 2009), "Family of Thomas RUNCIMAN and Alison GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages", Extracted and published under the sources page of the RUNCIMAN One Name Study (http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/s1.htm#s2923), Marr. 14 Nov 1746 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, extracted Feb 2010.
  5. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Apr 2010.
  6. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Sep 2011.
  7. [S15] RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, Nov 2012.
  8. [S103] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian SctP RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854", Marr. 14 Nov 1746 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, 711/ 0030 0331, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  9. [S103] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian SctP RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854", Marr. 5 Nov 1746 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Oldhamstocks, 714/ 0010 0479, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  10. [S15] RUNCIMAN DNA Project online at http://dnasurnames.info/lineages/spRUNCIMANLineages.htm, Updated Sep 2011.
  11. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Apr 2010, updated Nov 2012.
  12. [S3221] Phyllis RUNCIMAN, "EM RUNCIMAN/WISHART/JAMIESON ex Phyllis R," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, Pay-outs to the widows and children of the Crail fishermen drowned on 21st January 1765, from GD/26/12/25 held National Archives of Scotland (NAS), transcr. by Phyllis rcvd Nov 2012.
  13. [S1045] H D W, "RUNCIMAN Correspondence," e-mail to L Henderson (1), H/stone (& info) William RUNSHEMAN/RUNSYMAN and family, Crail, FIF, from pre 1855 transcriptions, rcvd Jan 2010.
  14. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Birth 2nd Bap. 12th Oct 1712 Thomas s/o Georg RUNCIMAN (baxter) & Margrat SIMSONE, Perth, PER, 387/ 0030 0197, copy d/loaded May 2012.
  15. [S3217] WikiTree online at http://WikiTree.com/, Oct-11.
  16. [S2923] Steve GIBBS (d. 2009), "Family of Thomas RUNCIMAN and Alison GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages", Extracted and published under the sources page of the RUNCIMAN One Name Study (http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/s1.htm#s2923).
  17. [S2166] Jim RUNCIMAN (32713), "EM RUNCIMAN, Archibald ex Jim R," e-mail to L McIntosh, Jan 2003.
  18. [S2922] Barbara Samples, "EM RUNCIMAN/SMITH/CRAIG ex Barbara S," e-mail to Lorna Henderson, Rcvd Jun 2010.
  19. [S1640] Births deaths marriages index (pre 1855): Scotland, Birth/Bap.? 10 Jan 1748 Robert s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, ELN 711/ 0030 0040, extracted from index Feb 2010 , Microfiche and http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk
  20. [S102] Scotlands People Index, "OPR East Lothian, SCT RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854", Birth/Bap.? 21 Jan 1750 Thomas s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, ELN 711/ 0030 0049, extracted from index Feb 2010.
  21. [S2923] Steve GIBBS (d. 2009), "Family of Thomas RUNCIMAN and Alison GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages", Extracted and published under the sources page of the RUNCIMAN One Name Study (http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/s1.htm#s2923), C(hr.) 21 Jan 1750 Thomas s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, ELN, extracted Feb 2010.
  22. [S2923] Steve GIBBS (d. 2009), "Family of Thomas RUNCIMAN and Alison GRIEVE ex Steve G's RUNCIMAN pages", Extracted and published under the sources page of the RUNCIMAN One Name Study (http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/s1.htm#s2923), C(hr) 27 Jun 1756 Peter s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Alison GRIEVE, Innerwick, Haddingtonshire, extracted Feb 2010.
 
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