James Runciman1,2

(11 Dec 1798 - 17 Feb 1872)
Father*William Runciman2 (circa Jul 1756 - Apr 1803)
Mother*Mary Ann Hill2 (say 1775 - )

BDMs

     James Runciman was born on 11 Dec 1798 Shoe Lane (30), St Bride's Fleet St, LND, ENG.2,1 He was baptized on 6 Jan 1799 St Bride's Fleet St, LND, ENG.2 Some sources show James as born circa 1799 SCT only his dth record has SCT as James' birthplace, all census data has b ENG.3
     James Runciman married Isabella Carter on 4 Apr 1831 St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, MLN, SCT, entry for RUNCIMAN, CARTER reads: James Runciman, flesher, Residing in No 6 Richmond Place and Isabella Carter also Residing in same place, both in this Parish, Daughter of George Carter, Labourer at Bankhouse in the parish of Stow, have been three times proclaimed in order to Marriage, in the Parish Church of St Cuthberts and no objections have been offered.4,5,6,1
     James Runciman died on 17 Feb 1872 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, USA, at age 73; index shows James as married, 73, farmer b SCT, parents unknown, recorded 30 May 1873.7,8,3
As of Feb 2012, the missing piece of the Michigan jigsaw, has finally been found.9

Although the thrice married William is not found with an age to fully verify he is the William born 1756 to John and Elizabeth (Familton) Runciman, we do have a 1757 baptism for his first wife Elizabeth Campbell Millington, and the assumption is that he is of an age, which fits very nicely.10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,9 With the discovery (Feb 2012) of William Runciman, baker in London with sons James and William of the right ages to be the Michigan James and William, the "cousin" theory is hereby put on hold, and the "brothers" one brought back into favour, along with bringing the Lauder baker family into Lineage 1a.
This London connection certainly fits the family stories about the William who went to London, with children brought up in Wanton Walls with their cousins.19,17,9

The family charts and stories are from at least one family chart (1965) which believes William and James to be siblings, but later information (from Jean Runciman BOGAN) stated "My grandmother always said "the other side of the family (William) will always tell you that James and William RUNCIMAN from Scotland were brothers ... they were not ... they were cousins who had grown up together and called themselves brothers". (Well they were brought up with their cousins, so perhaps that's where that bit came from?)

George's (Dod) uncle James (b. 1898 d. 1984) said he remembered his grandfather (James married to Eliza WIGHT, b. 1800 d. 1871) telling of a brother who went to London and died leaving 2 small children whom he brought to Wanton Walls and brought up with his own family and he believes they were the ones who went to America. (the grandfather must have meant his father's brother, not his own, but he was well placed to talk about them as he was of an age, and would have been brought up with them at Wanton Walls)
"However Mr James Runciman's sister says she remembers conversations about those two boys and their names were James and Richard, not James and William. therefore I believe my grandmother was right, James and William were cousins who had grown up together as brothers .. but what ever happened to Richard?.. Jean"
Feb 2012 update: the Richard being remembered is probably the son of James and William's brother John, a baker in Lauder.
I'm backing the brothers version of events now that London baptisms for siblings James & William, sons of William and Mary Ann (Hill) Runciman, whose son John is documented as the baker in Lauder have now been found. William Snr died in 1803 when James would be 5, John 3 and William 1 (there were also two older half sisters, Catherine and Elizabeth, as yet unaccounted for beyond father William's will).

With sons William and James previously assumed to be cousins, their mutual grandfather would have to be born around 1740-50s, give or take 20 yrs or so!
Apart from the DNA evidence making a descendant of William in Michigan, and a descendant of the Wanton Walls families closely related (66/67 marker match), we had no other real idea where they fitted, so they were temporarily connected as great grandchildren of John & Elizabeth via a theoretical "male Runciman". This connection has now been removed, along with the theoretical intervening generation.19,17

Census

     James Runciman appeared on the census of 1840 Washtenaw Co., MI, USA, with Isabella Runciman, enumerated as Jas RUNCEMAN: Males 2 40 and under 50; 1 under 5; Females: 1 under 5; 1 5 & < 10; 1 30 & < 40 (so who is the other adult male, and the under 5 female?)20
     James Runciman appeared on the census of 11 Sep 1850 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, USA, with Isabella Runciman, enumerated as RUNCIMAN: James 52 farmer $1000 real estate owned, b England; Isabella 39 b SCT; Wm David 13, Sarah L 8 both b MI; Isabella 17 b NY; James H 6 b MI, All attended school within the year.1 James Runciman appeared on the census of 1860 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, as neighbour of Mary Ann Allen.21
     James Runciman appeared on the census of 11 Jul 1860 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, with Isabella Runciman, enumerated as RUNCIMAN: James 61 farmer b ENG, $5000 real estate $1500 personal estate; Isabella 49 b SCT; Assumed Children: William 22, Sarah 18, James 16, George 8, John 6, all b MI; Also George SUMNER 7 b MI (those up to & incl. 16 attended school in last year.)22
     James Runciman appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1870 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, with Isabella Runciman, enumerated as RUNCIMAN: James 71 farmer $5000 real estate owned & $1840 personal, b England (both parents of foreign birth, citizen of USA); Isabella 60 keeping hse b SCT (both parents of foreign birth); Sarah S 25 at home, James H 23 farmer ($1500 real estate $713 personal property, US citizen) both b MI; George A 18 farm laborer b MI (attended school within year); All marked as parents of foreign birth.7 James Runciman appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1870 Sylvan, Washtenaw Co., MI, as neighbour of William David Runciman and Margaret Runciman.23

Names/other info

     James Runciman and Isabella Carter immigrated bet. 1831 - 1833 to NY, USA.24
     James Runciman and Isabella Carter are believed to have immigrated arriving 1850 but this has been disproved as although family lore has James & Isabella, together with a brother William (mar. Mary BROWN), emigrating together from Glasgow in Jun 1850 I have found that US census records show children born in NY and MI, from 1833, and the family of James appears in the Washtenaw Cty census data from 1840 to 1870 at least.6,24

DNA Info

     James's line needs a/another participant in the RUNCIMAN Surname DNA Project. Check out the Wanted! page for further information.

Links

     Click here to see James's page on WikiTree, a (free) collaborative on-line tree.25
     Follow this link for Lorna's family information on James Runciman.

Family

Isabella Carter (1810 - Feb 1872)
Children
  • Isabella Runciman1 (circa 1833 - 1897)
  • Mary Ann Runciman26 (Jun 1834 - )
  • William David Runciman1 (Nov 1837 - Mar 1914)
  • Sarah L Runciman1 (circa 1842 - 1912)
  • James H Runciman1 (circa 1844 - 1909)
  • George A Runciman7 (Oct 1851 - Oct 1924)
  • John F Runciman27 (May 1854 - 1906)
ChartsLineage 1a: George & Jennet (FINLAW) RUNCIMAN of Berwickshire
Wanted:James and Isabella (Carter) Runciman
Last Edited6 Mar 2016

Citations

  1. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1850 Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, roll: M432_364; Pg: 291; Image: 228, hsehold of James & Isabella RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  2. [S2916] London Metropolitan Archives: Birth death marriage (filmed originals): , Birth 11 Dec 1798 Bap. 6 Jan 1799 James s/o William & Mary Ann RUNCIMAN, 30 Shoe Lane, from St Bride Fleet Street, Register of baptisms, 1736 - 1812, P69/BRI/A/007/MS06541, Item 001, extracted Feb 2012.
  3. [S2342] RUNCIMAN Misc. web searches & correspondence Dth 1872 James RUNCIMAN, Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, aged 73, Ledger 197 Record #115, from Genealogical Death Indexing System, Michigan Department of Community Health, http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/gendisx/, extracted May 2007.
  4. [S55] Scottish BMDB entries (to 1854), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Marr. 4 Apr 1831 James RUNCIMAN & Isabella d/o George CARTER, St Cuthberts, MLN, 685/02 0420 0194, copy d/loaded Feb 2012.
  5. [S1596] Online search: assorted surnames, International Genealogical Index (IGI), Marr. 1831 James RUNCIMAN & Isabella CARTER, batch M119897, Edinburgh, extracted May 2007.
  6. [S2342] RUNCIMAN Misc. web searches & correspondence William & James RUNCIMAN of Michigan, 2003 posting by John Joseph (Joe) MAPES, extracted May 2007.
  7. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1870 Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, roll: M593_708; Pg: 403; Image: 260, hsehold of James & Isabella RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  8. [S2342] RUNCIMAN Misc. web searches & correspondence Lauder RUNCIMANs, research report by the Scots Ancestry Research Society for Dr Ronald RUNCIMAN, from Jan 2003 posting by Ros RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  9. [S4] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Conclusions", Feb 2012.
  10. [S2916] London Metropolitan Archives: Birth death marriage (filmed originals): , Birth 12 Apr 1756 Bap. 17 Jul 1757 Elizabeth Campbell d/o John & Elizth MILLINGTON (of Shoe Lane) , from St Bride Fleet Street, Register of baptisms, 1736 - 1812, P69/BRI/A/007/MS06541, Item 001, extracted Feb 2012.
  11. [S5] Ancestry.com online at http://search.ancestry.com, 1790 William RUNCIMAN, baker, Shoe Lane, from U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830, Holden’s London Directory 1790 [no t.p.], 1790, HOLDEN, London, extracted Feb 2012.
  12. [S5] Ancestry.com online at http://search.ancestry.com, Marr. 20 Feb 1798 William RUNCIMAN & Mary Ann HILL, from Guildhall, St Bride Fleet Street, Register of marriages, 1794 - 1810, P69/BRI/A/01/Ms 6542/3, London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921, extracted Feb 2012.
  13. [S2916] London Metropolitan Archives: Birth death marriage (filmed originals): , Birth 19 Oct Bap. 16 Nov 1800 John s/o William & Mary Ann RUNCIMAN, 30 Shoe Lane, from St Bride Fleet Street, Register of baptisms, 1736 - 1812, P69/BRI/A/007/MS06541, Item 001, extracted Feb 2012.
  14. [S56] Scottish BMDB entries (from 1855), http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php, Dth 28 Jun 1864 John RUNCIMAN, Lauder, BEW 748 #6, copy d/loaded Oct 2005.
  15. [S5] Ancestry.com online at http://search.ancestry.com, Marr. 20 May 1784 William RUNCIMAN & Elizabeth MILLINGTON, from Guildhall, St Botolph Aldersgate, Register of marriages, 1754 - 1789, P69/BOT1/A/01/Ms 3857/1, London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921, extracted Feb 2012.
  16. [S2916] London Metropolitan Archives: Birth death marriage (filmed originals): , Marr. 17 Nov 1790 William RUNCIMAN (widower of St Bride's) Mary BREWMAN (otp), from Saint George In The East, Register of marriages, P93/GEO, Item 038, extracted Feb 2012.
  17. [S2342] RUNCIMAN Misc. web searches & correspondence William & James RUNCIMAN, cousins from Scotland, letter from Jean Runciman BOGAN in 2003 posting by Ros RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  18. [S3] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", Oct 2007, updated Jan 2008 and Feb 2012.
  19. [S3] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", May 2007, updated Feb 2012.
  20. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1840 Washtenaw, MI, roll: 211; Page: 72, hsehold of Jas RUNCEMAN, extracted May 2007.
  21. [S303] 1860 Census images, Ancestry.com, 1860 Sylvan, Washtenaw Cty, MI Roll: M653_563; Image: 373 hsehold of Joseph & Mayr ALLEN, extracted May 2007.
  22. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1860 Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, roll: M653_563; Image: 373, hsehold of James & Isabella RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  23. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1870 Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, roll: M593_708; Pg: 403; Image: 260, hsehold of William & Margaret RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
  24. [S3] Lorna Henderson, "RUNCIMAN Analysis", May 2007.
  25. [S3217] WikiTree online at http://WikiTree.com/, Oct-11.
  26. [S3594] Family Search, New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962: Birth 3 Jun Bap. 7 Sep 1834 Mary Ann d/o James RUNCIMAN & Isabella CARTER, New York, USA, from https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDYS-5MP, extracted from index Mar 2016.
  27. [S808] Census images, Ancestry.com, 1880 Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI, roll: T9_609; FHL Film 1254609; Pg: 339.1000; ED 241; Image: 0158, hsehold of George RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.
 
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